Falcon
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Es lo bueno de estos espacios, no deja uno de aprender cosas nuevas diariamente, muchas gracias compañero KIKI2007 por su aclaración, ahora a perrear una pieza de este calibre para agregarla a la colección, saludos
cual es la diferencia entre 38 super y auto?
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Cuervotorres20
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Pos ..... yo opino que es una de las copias mas chafas que e visto de una super match . Cuervotorres20.
venator 67
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Ya viendola bien compañero Cuervotorres, tiene toda la razón es una llama convertida a colt super match, el "38 auto corresponde a una llama y las demás leyendas no parecen originales ademas con lo que dije del cargador confirman que es una llama, podrían poner fotos del cañón en la recámara?
John Wesley Hardin
Moderator
Tambien las miras se me hacen parecidas a algunas Llama 9mm Largo con miras ajustables.
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John Wesley Hardin
Moderator
Lo bueno es que aunque sea una Llama 9mm la pistola que pueda estar remarcada, las recetas de recarga para .38 Auto que puso TF y otros participantes, también le van a servir igual.
John Wesley Hardin
Moderator
Ahora que se revivio la platica del .38 Auto y sus diferencias con el .38 Super Auto, me surge la siguiente duda:
Supongamos que vivieramos en los años 20s o 30s, y que como sabemos en esa época habia muy pocos cartuchos de puntas expansivas de arma corta y tuvieramos que usar balas round nose full metal jacketed: ¿Tendría alguna ventaja real esos 150 o 200 pies por segundo mas que tenia el .38 super para fines de defensa personal?
Se que la plataforma, o sea el arma que usaban uno y otro calibre si tenia ventajas, es decir comparar una 1911 contra una 1900 o 1902 seguro sale con ventaja la 1911 (algunos de aquellos viejos modelos de las 1900 ni siquiera tenian un seguro moderno, a veces la mira trasera era el seguro y otros detalles como esos). Pero atendiendo solo al calibre y su impacto sobre un cuerpo humano promedio: ¿tendría alguna ventaja el .38 super sobre el .38 Auto?
Supongamos que vivieramos en los años 20s o 30s, y que como sabemos en esa época habia muy pocos cartuchos de puntas expansivas de arma corta y tuvieramos que usar balas round nose full metal jacketed: ¿Tendría alguna ventaja real esos 150 o 200 pies por segundo mas que tenia el .38 super para fines de defensa personal?
Se que la plataforma, o sea el arma que usaban uno y otro calibre si tenia ventajas, es decir comparar una 1911 contra una 1900 o 1902 seguro sale con ventaja la 1911 (algunos de aquellos viejos modelos de las 1900 ni siquiera tenian un seguro moderno, a veces la mira trasera era el seguro y otros detalles como esos). Pero atendiendo solo al calibre y su impacto sobre un cuerpo humano promedio: ¿tendría alguna ventaja el .38 super sobre el .38 Auto?
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TF
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
En tiros sin obstrucción al torso, prácticamente ninguna. La diferencia estaría si hubiera que atravesar alguna barrera intermedia antes de llegar al cuerpo, o tal vez romper un hueso grande tipo fémur a cierta distancia.
venator 67
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Después de todo el 38 súper auto , se creó para atravesar las gruesas láminas de la carrocería de los autos de antaño y poder llegar a los malosos, tener mas penetración con el mismo peso de bala
John Wesley Hardin
Moderator
Aunque segun una historia de algun famoso escritor de armas de fuego (que su nombre escapa a mi memoria en este momento, y que tampoco puedo afirmar que la historia es totalmente cierta), en cierto punto en los años 20s los gangster de la epoca empezaron a comprar chalecos blindados (que mas bien eran chalecos antimetralla) que se vendian como desechos de la I Guerra Mundial, y que esos chalecos podian detener las cargas con puntas de plomo de baja velocidad de los revolveres .38 Special que la policia usaba en esa época. Que se hizo un estudio de que calibres de armas cortas podrian atravesar esos chalecos y los calibres que resultaron podian hacerlo, eran los .38 Auto, 9mm Luger y .30 Luger.
Pero que aun así se decidio mejorar el .38 Auto para este fin, y que así nacio el .38 Super Auto (pero que aun su predecesor, el .38 Auto, era bastante penetrante).
John Wesley Hardin
Moderator
No encontraba el articulo, pero al fin lo encontre, aunque es mas bien sobre la historia de los revólveres .38/44 de S&W, de todos modos viene algo sobre la historia del .38 Super:
HISTORY
The introduction of smokeless propellant in the latter portion of the nineteenth century had a very significant effect on rifle cartridge ballistics. Literally overnight the average velocity of a rifle projectile was doubled. Range, penetration and trajectory showed similar improvements. Despite the enhanced performance made possible by the use of smokless propellant, very little effort was made to improve handgun ballistics until after 1930. While most manufacturers had begun to load their cartridges with the new powder, they had duplicated the old ballistics by loading a smaller amount of smokeless propellant. Indeed, in the period following World War One there was only one American handgun cartridge in production with a muzzle velocity in excess of 1,000 feet per second. Despite this high level of performance, the cartridge in question, the .38 ACP remained in comparative obscurity since its introduction at the turn of the century. The .38 ACP's unpopularity lay primarily in the fact that Colt hadn't chambered anything new for it since the original parallel ruler models that were obsolete at best. The .38 ACP's wallflower status was a loss to the firearms community as a whole. With a muzzle velocity of 1,146 feet per second and a 130 grain projectile, the .38 ACP generated about 380 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. It also exhibited better penetration characteristics than the 7.63mm Mauser or the 9mm Parabellum. Additionally, the cartridge possessed excellent long range characteristics. Fortunately for the .38 ACP, a historical accident was about to rescue it from historical obscurity.
During the First World War, various forms of body armor had been fielded by the combatants. These ranged in type from solid plate armor intended for r machine gunners to amalgams of chain mail and padded leather intended fr the brutal wars in the trenches. All of them were heavy and ungainly, and none of them would stop a rifle bullet; in consequence they were rapidly discarded after the war's conclusion. The wartime body armor found new employment after the war, in unlikely hands. Specifically, gangsters and other members of the underworld realized that the body armor would defeat any and all handgun bullets so long as they did not exceed 900 feet per second. This included standard police armament of the day such as the .38 Smith & Wesson, the .38 Special, and the .45 ACP. Disconcerted police began to report miscreants moving away under their own power despite being hit center mass with the contents of an officer's service weapon.
The mystery was uncovered when a lawman brought down a goblin with a head shot and discovered that the ex-criminal had been wearing an example of the wartime body armor. The recovered armor was subjected to a series of tests, which indicated that current service weapon ammunition was incapable of defeating it. The problem was turned over to Colt, who was charged with the task of developing a gun and cartridge combination that would overcome the armor. The task would not be easy; Colt continued testing the armor and found that it defeated every cartridge tested against it. Every cartridge save one, that is. The wallflower of the Colt line, the .38 ACP had no problem drilling neat holes in the armor time and time again. To ensure that the round would have the desired penetrative performance regardless of conditions, the velocity was increased to 1,300 feet per second. The resulting cartridge was known as the .38 Super Automatic. While the cartridge was up to the task, the old parallel ruler Colts were not, and a new firearm was designed for the new round. The pistol was basically a refined Government Model with the necessary internal dimensional changes required by the new cartridge. The new .38 Super pistol was adopted by a number of law enforcement agencies, to include the FBI.
Historic Firearm of the Month, August 2001
HISTORY
The introduction of smokeless propellant in the latter portion of the nineteenth century had a very significant effect on rifle cartridge ballistics. Literally overnight the average velocity of a rifle projectile was doubled. Range, penetration and trajectory showed similar improvements. Despite the enhanced performance made possible by the use of smokless propellant, very little effort was made to improve handgun ballistics until after 1930. While most manufacturers had begun to load their cartridges with the new powder, they had duplicated the old ballistics by loading a smaller amount of smokeless propellant. Indeed, in the period following World War One there was only one American handgun cartridge in production with a muzzle velocity in excess of 1,000 feet per second. Despite this high level of performance, the cartridge in question, the .38 ACP remained in comparative obscurity since its introduction at the turn of the century. The .38 ACP's unpopularity lay primarily in the fact that Colt hadn't chambered anything new for it since the original parallel ruler models that were obsolete at best. The .38 ACP's wallflower status was a loss to the firearms community as a whole. With a muzzle velocity of 1,146 feet per second and a 130 grain projectile, the .38 ACP generated about 380 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. It also exhibited better penetration characteristics than the 7.63mm Mauser or the 9mm Parabellum. Additionally, the cartridge possessed excellent long range characteristics. Fortunately for the .38 ACP, a historical accident was about to rescue it from historical obscurity.
During the First World War, various forms of body armor had been fielded by the combatants. These ranged in type from solid plate armor intended for r machine gunners to amalgams of chain mail and padded leather intended fr the brutal wars in the trenches. All of them were heavy and ungainly, and none of them would stop a rifle bullet; in consequence they were rapidly discarded after the war's conclusion. The wartime body armor found new employment after the war, in unlikely hands. Specifically, gangsters and other members of the underworld realized that the body armor would defeat any and all handgun bullets so long as they did not exceed 900 feet per second. This included standard police armament of the day such as the .38 Smith & Wesson, the .38 Special, and the .45 ACP. Disconcerted police began to report miscreants moving away under their own power despite being hit center mass with the contents of an officer's service weapon.
The mystery was uncovered when a lawman brought down a goblin with a head shot and discovered that the ex-criminal had been wearing an example of the wartime body armor. The recovered armor was subjected to a series of tests, which indicated that current service weapon ammunition was incapable of defeating it. The problem was turned over to Colt, who was charged with the task of developing a gun and cartridge combination that would overcome the armor. The task would not be easy; Colt continued testing the armor and found that it defeated every cartridge tested against it. Every cartridge save one, that is. The wallflower of the Colt line, the .38 ACP had no problem drilling neat holes in the armor time and time again. To ensure that the round would have the desired penetrative performance regardless of conditions, the velocity was increased to 1,300 feet per second. The resulting cartridge was known as the .38 Super Automatic. While the cartridge was up to the task, the old parallel ruler Colts were not, and a new firearm was designed for the new round. The pistol was basically a refined Government Model with the necessary internal dimensional changes required by the new cartridge. The new .38 Super pistol was adopted by a number of law enforcement agencies, to include the FBI.
Historic Firearm of the Month, August 2001
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quizá, mas bien, con seguridad fuera de tiempo,,,, los que te ofrece, son para tu arma, pero no es lo mismo que la super... el cartucho de super.. así dice, 38 super auto+p el acp es automatic colt pistol si lo que te venden es 38 auto.. es para tu pistola.
venator 67
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
El 38 auto, sin mas, es lo mismo que el 38 acp, vienen cargados a la misma baja presión, ideales para dispararse sin problemas en pistolas semiautomáticas viejas
HOOKAH
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
muchas gracias a los que respondieron a este tema no había podido responder porque estaba de operaciones pero aquí les dejo una imagen de mi colt 38 auto 1902 para la cual quería usar balas de 38 súper quitándoles fuerza a la pólvora
blackarcher85
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Consiga cartuchos .38 Auto, si le mete cartuchos .38 Super, aunque estén recargadas a cargas de .38 Auto, si lo pescan con ésos cartuchos no se la acaba
(Como mi abuela decía " No hagas cosas buenas que parezcan malas )
(Como mi abuela decía " No hagas cosas buenas que parezcan malas )
aracely37
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wooww que hermosa pistola, felicidades
sera la del chapo?
sera la del chapo?
Muy bonita su arma compañero.
HOOKAH
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
soy oficial militar no hay problema con eso pero el chiste esta en saber cuantos granos de polvora contiene cada cartucho del 38 auto
HOOKAH
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
muchas gracias aracely37 no no es la del chapo la verdad me la regalo el abuelo pero nunca supe de donde provio esta pistola