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Ya son Target de fabrica, pero en esa competencia algunos fueron tuneados aun mas, como el de la entrevista con el armero en el primer video.

Unos links de como son de fabrica del Performance Center de S&W:

PERFORMANCE CENTER(R) Model 627 | Smith & Wesson

PERFORMANCE CENTER(R) Model 627 V-Comp | Smith & Wesson

Performance Center(R) Model 686 | Smith & Wesson

PERFORMANCE CENTER(R) Model 686 Competitor 6" Weighted Barrel | Smith & Wesson


Y este serian los modelos normales de linea:

Model 686 | Smith & Wesson

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-686-plus-0

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-27


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Wow si que hay diferencia con los Performance Center, me encantaron el que tiene el compensador en la punta del cañon y el weighet barrel, chuladas.

Aprovechando de su paciencia y conocimiento me gustaría pedirle que me ayude a identificar este S&W y como de que año seria, de antemano gracias John
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Wow si que hay diferencia con los Performance Center, me encantaron el que tiene el compensador en la punta del cañon y el weighet barrel, chuladas.

Aprovechando de su paciencia y conocimiento me gustaría pedirle que me ayude a identificar este S&W y como de que año seria, de antemano gracias John
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Si es de un calibre legal seria un .38/44 Outdoorsman, el que posterioremente se llamo modelo 23. Pero si es de un calibre ilegal podria ser un modelo 27 o 28. Mas bien un 28.
 
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no se mucho!!!
pero segun me han contado es un frame, mazorca hechos para el calibre 44mag, y los recamarearon y encañoranon a 38slp

volviendose una pieza super reforzada para las cargas +++++p ,
segun entiendo

(practicamente indestructibles)

Gracias Luigi, ahora entiendo.
Vi el video a continuación sobre este modelo y me impresionó que casi no tiene recoil se me figuró a un 22lr jeje, seguro es gracias a las prestaciones y configuración ya comentadas de un 44.

 
Un articulo al respecto:

Link: Gun Digest Classic: Is This the Greatest .38 Ever? | Gun Digest

Gun Digest Classic: Is This the Greatest .38 Ever?


Dan Shideler

Don’t get me wrong. I love Colt revolvers. A 1923 Police Positive is doing duty at this moment in my bedside nightstand. I sometimes carry a Detective Special. I think the Python is the most stylish revolver ever made.So please don’t throw things at me when I say that in my opinion, the finest revolver of all time, all things considered, is the Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector. And of all the Hand Ejectors, the finest are the N-frames. And of the N-frames, the finest was the .38 Outdoorsman.

It was the most well-mannered .38 ever made.

A Bitter Year

It was 1930, one of the bitterest of the Great Depression and the dawning of the Age of the Gangster. John Dillinger was honing his skills at a prison in Michigan City, Ind., while the likes of Ma Barker, Bonnie Parker, Clyde Barrow and Baby Face Nelson were tearing up the Midwest.

These public enemies, as they came to be known, weren’t fooling around.

Dillinger would later use a Colt Monitor, the civilian version of the Browning BAR, when he wasn’t carrying a 1928 Thompson he swiped from an Indiana police station.

Machine Gun Kelly earned his nickname the hard way. And unlike the bandits of the Old West, this new breed of criminals was likely to speed away from the scene of their crimes in a Ford V-8, a Studebaker sedan or an Essex Terraplane.

Against this rising tide of lawlessness stood America’s Thin Blue Line of local police and sheriffs, most of whom could rarely muster anything more powerful in the way of armament than a Colt Official Police or a Smith & Wesson Military & Police in .38 Special. And that just wasn’t cutting it.

Colt had responded to the call for greater police firepower in 1929 with its .38 Super Government Model semiauto, which sent a 130-grain metal-jacketed bullet rocketing out its 5-inch barrel at 1,300 feet per second — fast enough to penetrate most bulletproof vests and car bodies. The FBI promptly glommed onto the .38 Super, although some agents complained that its accuracy left something to be desired.

A Better Idea

Smith & Wesson approached the problem from a different direction. It already had the perfect platform for a new police gun: the large Hand Ejector frame introduced in 1908 as the New Century or Triple-Lock .44 Special.

Having lost its third, and superfluous, cylinder lock in 1915, this enormous double-action frame (later designated the N-frame) served well in World War I as the basis of S&W’s .45 ACP Model 1917 revolver. (Almost a century later, the large Hand Ejector N-frame would remain in production — a record exceeded only by S&W’s own K-frame and Colt’s Model P Single Action Army.)

In 1930, as reported by Elmer Keith in Sixguns, S&W’s Major Doug Wesson introduced an all-new, 5-inch-barreled, fixed-sighted .38 Special built on the massive N-frame. The gun was formally named the .38/44 Heavy Duty, and was also known colloquially as the .38/44 Super Police for its intended application.

Even today the “.38/44” designation causes some confusion. It simply means a .38 built on the large .44 Hand Ejector frame. Muddying the waters a bit is the fact that there had been another, entirely different S&W “.38-44” several years before: a top-break target revolver chambered for a unique .38-caliber cartridge, in which the bullet was completely enclosed within the case, which itself stretched nearly to the end of the cylinder. This revolver was built on the large S&W No. 3 .44 Russian frame (hence the “-44”). The No. 3 .38-44 was a different animal from the .38-44 Heavy Duty double-action.

S&W’s new Heavy Duty could handle much hotter .38 Special loads than were generally available. That’s why, in 1931 Remington-UMC, Winchester and Western stepped up to the plate and rolled out a new breed of high-velocity, high-pressure .38 Special.

Whereas the traditional .38 Special load generated about 16,000 copper units of pressure, or CUP, to produce velocities of about 800 fps with a 158-grain lead bullet, the new load developed 20,000 CUP to produce a velocity of about 1,100 fps with a 158-grain metal-tipped bullet. (This was the first appearance of what we would today call the .38 Special +P.) The new load reportedly developed 425 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle, which was — and remains — impressive.

Here, at last, was a gun that would punch through just about anything that stood between Dillinger and a police officer.

A Positive Reception

The new .38/44 was an immediate hit. In the November 1931 American Rifleman, Phil Sharpe praised it to the skies: “The thickness of metal in this gun gives the writer confidence to fire standard factory proof cartridges from the hand, something no other gun has ever inspired.” (A proof cartridge usually generates twice the pressure of a standard load and is used by gunmakers to test the strength of, or “proof,” their finished products.)

Comments like Sharpe’s were bound to get the attention of Keith, who was no slouch at blowing up revolvers with hot handloads. Using a .38/44 Heavy Duty, Keith found he could simply not induce the big gun to come unglued, even with his home-brewed .38 Special loads that generated a ferocious 42,000 CUP.

I won’t give Keith’s recipe for this load here, and actually I don’t even like to think about it. Suffice to say, it takes the .38 Special about as far as it can possibly go — maybe farther.

The Outdoorsman Arrives

S&W had already reached the same conclusion, and in 1931 the company introduced the .38/44 Outdoorsman, a sophisticated version of the Heavy Duty with target sights and a 6 1/2-inch barrel. The name of the new gun suggested it was marketed toward the woods bum who wanted something with a lot more “oomph” than a standard .38 Special.

Weighing in at a hefty 41 3/4 ounces unloaded, the Outdoorsman was, in the opinion of W. D. Frazer, “a target revolver in every sense of the word.” Frazer reported in a 1932 issue of American Rifleman that he had made 17 hits out of 20 shots with the Outdoorsman at 200 yards on a standard police silhouette target.

The Outdoorsman was so good, in fact, that it inspired the revolver that would make it obsolete: S&W’s .357 Magnum of 1935. The .357 Magnum was the Outdoorsman on steroids, and the FBI wasted no time in adopting it in 3 1/2-inch barrel form as its official sidearm.

You might have expected the Outdoorsman to wither away and die immediately, but it refused. Although made obsolete by the .357 Magnum, the huge .38 sold modestly until 1966, when it was discontinued.

The Outdoorsman was never a best-seller. Only 4,761 “long-action” Outdoorsmans were sold before World War II, and another 8,365 from 1946 to 1966. Postwar models featured a new-style hammer block, a micrometer sight and a new barrel rib. A short-throw hammer was introduced in 1950, at which time the Outdoorsman’s name was officially changed to the .38/44 Outdoorsman of 1950. Postwar guns can be identified by the “S” preceding the serial number.

When S&W adopted its new model numbering system in 1957, the Outdoorsman became the Model 23.

A Delight to Shoot

Shooting an Outdoorsman of any vintage is a pleasure. With 148-grain target loads, the big gun’s recoil is barely noticeable. It hangs on target with admirable inertia. Its trigger pull in single action is crisp, and in double-action, it’s wonderfully controllable. Owing to the revolver’s tight fit and long barrel, muzzle blast is negligible, even with +P loads. And in my opinion, S&W’s Hand Ejector lockwork is simply superior to that of anything else.

Some shooters will criticize the Outdoorsman, saying it is pointless. The .38 Special, they will say, is an old woman — as if only the most powerful handgun cartridges have any reason for existing.

I don’t agree. In fact, I believe the preoccupation with bigger handgun cartridges has grown comically absurd.

Hand cannons have their place, but so do target revolvers. I enjoy shooting a .38 Special with enough mass to dampen tremors. I might not be able to brag about how macho I am after shooting an Outdoorsman, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay.

I’ve been fortunate to have shot just about every basic model of American .38 Special revolver ever made. For my money, the Outdoorsman is the best — and certainly the classiest — of them all.


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Otro buen articulo, este de las cargas .38/44 que revivio para esta nueva época la compañia Buffalo Bore. Y relata la historia del original
.38-44 HV (High Velocity)

Link: A Brawny Handful of Revolver and the .38-44 Buffalo Bore - The Shooter's Log

A Brawny Handful of Revolver and the .38-44 Buffalo Bore

BOB CAMPBELL


Most feel the .38-44 set the stage for the .357 Magnum revolver—and it did—but the .38-44 is more than a footnote in history. This is a fine revolver that is useful on its own merits. Buffalo Bore is famous for first-class loads that maximize the caliber, and this is no exception.

After World War I, there was a great deal of development in service guns for the police and military. Military 1911 handguns were tightened up and began to make impressive showings at Camp Perry. Most police revolvers were double-action revolvers with a swing out cylinder.

The most common caliber was .38 Special. Some were fitted with adjustable target-grade sights and proved accurate at greatly extended ranges. A big problem with the prosperity of the 1920s was that the bubble had to burst. And burst it did in 1929.

The Great Depression brought with it a new type of bandit. Bank robbers and thieves of all sorts were nothing new, but their mode of conveyance was. The automobile featured steel bracing and heavy wooden floors. This construction was a big obstacle to common revolver bullets. Once safety glass became common, even windshields presented penetration problem.

The organized crime empire, created by prohibition, faded slowly but along with the Dillinger and other heavily armed gangs, the police were woefully outgunned for the most part. The Winchester .351 self-loading rifle and Remington Model 8 in .30 or .35 Remington were good answers, but something more powerful on the hip was needed as well. Colt introduced the 1911 Super .38 in 1929. While a fine weapon, we were a nation of revolver men, and the Super .38 was expensive.

Smith and Wesson took a hard look at the situation. The most powerful cartridge the average officer could control with the level of training presented was the .38 Special. However, the .38 Special lacked adequate penetration for use against vehicles. The truth of the matter was the .38 wasn’t very effective against felons shot without cover.

Handloaders, such as Elmer Keith, had developed a number of ‘outdoors loads’ for the .38 Special. The improvement in the bullet itself was as important as the increased power. Keith developed a semi-wadcutter bullet—basically a target wadcutter with a long nose. This cut flesh rather than pushing it away, and the sharp driving shoulder of the SWC bullet also cut a hole in flesh rather than pushing it aside as a round nose bullet might.

Velocity was increased from 800 to 1,100 fps with the new load. This produced a useful loading with greater penetration and wound potential. While the experimenters blew up some revolvers, the real problem was small parts wear. With heavy loads, some of these loads reached 1,200 fps—a medium frame revolver such as the Smith and Wesson Military and Police might have been knocked out of time quickly.

While each worked independently, both Colt and Smith and Wesson improved an existing cartridge. The result was a more powerful loading, with the same exterior dimensions as the original. As Colt changed the .38 ACP to the .38 Super, Smith and Wesson developed the .38 Special into the .38-44.

Smith and Wesson took its heavy frame .44 Special revolver with a .38 Special barrel and cylinder—this revolver became the Heavy Duty. Colt also made a Single Action Army in .38 Special—this revolver was equally well suited to heavy loads.

The Heavy Duty revolver was popular with peace officers and filled a real need. Even after the introduction the .357 Magnum in 1935, the Heavy Duty remained popular. While a fine revolver, the Heavy Duty cost half the price of the .357 Magnum.

The first Heavy Duty revolvers were shipped in April 1930. These revolvers are great shooters. Recoil, with standard loads, is modest and with heavy .38 Special loads and controllable for those who practice. The revolver was offered with adjustable sights as the Outdoorsman. Both models were produced until 1966. At the time of its introduction, the Heavy Duty revolver had the greatest penetration of any factory production revolver loading due to its hard cast bullet at 1,125 fps.

The SWC bullet was more effective than the FMJ .38 Super, and when loaded with cast lead hollow point handloads the Heavy Duty was among the most effective revolvers of the day. The revolvers were heavy but well balanced. The Heavy Duty remains one of the great revolvers of the previous 100 years, and a revolver appreciated by serious handgunners.

Most feel the .38-44 set the stage for the .357 Magnum revolver—and it did—but the .38-44 is more than a footnote in history. This is a fine revolver that is useful on its own merits.

Buffalo Bore Ammunition offers a .38-44 load in its Heavy .38 +P Outdoorsman. Buffalo Bore is famous for first-class loads that maximize the caliber, and this is no exception. This load is consistent, accurate, and powerful. For heavy frame .38 revolvers still in use, or the .357 Magnum revolver, this is a fine load.

I tested the Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman load in an original Heavy Duty revolver and a Traditions Sheriff’s Model. Each turned in groups of 2 to 2.5 inches at 25 yards. This loading doesn’t have the flash blast and recoil of the .357 Magnum, but it offers excellent penetration and long-range accuracy. A few 100-yard shots at range debris confirmed the hit potential of this loading, even from the short-barrel Sheriff’s Model. Actual velocity was 1,145 fps from the four-inch barrel Smith and Wesson and 1,130 fps from the Sheriff’s Model.

Another loading that offers promise is the lead SWC hollow point. There is no need for a jacket to prevent damage during the load cycle—an advantage over the self-loader. Expansion is guaranteed.

Buffalo Bore’s loading isn’t much different than the service load recommended by the great lawman and writer Skeeter Skelton. Skelton used a heavy load in .38 Special cases comprised of a heavy dose of #2400 powder and a cast gas checked hollow point. Buffalo Bore’s version breaks 1,120 fps from the Heavy Duty revolver. Testing in water shows the loading demonstrates excellent expansion potential.

(By comparison, the Remington .357 Magnum 158-grain SWC breaks at 1,088 fps from a four-inch barrel Model 19 revolver.)

The final load tested is suitable for those preferring a modern jacketed hollowpoint bullet. The 125-grain JHP breaks just over 1,100 fps. The balance of expansion and penetration was good. For a fast opening defense load, you need look no further. For most shooters, most of the time, the heavy .38 is a better choice than the .357 Magnum.

These loads are well suited to personal defense, and with the Outdoorsman load, we have a credible load for defense against feral dogs and the big cats, but one with modest recoil compared to the performance offered. Accuracy was excellent, and the loads demonstrated a full powder burn. I will be deploying the Outdoorsman load in the Heavy Duty during those long walks in the wild when it is comforting to have a capable revolver on the hip.
 
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Abri un nuevo post para no desviar mucho la conversacion inicial en el otro (El mejor revolver del mundo MR73 por Wooden)
 
Un articulo al respecto:

Link: Gun Digest Classic: Is This the Greatest .38 Ever? | Gun Digest

Gun Digest Classic: Is This the Greatest .38 Ever?


Dan Shideler

Don’t get me wrong. I love Colt revolvers. A 1923 Police Positive is doing duty at this moment in my bedside nightstand. I sometimes carry a Detective Special. I think the Python is the most stylish revolver ever made.So please don’t throw things at me when I say that in my opinion, the finest revolver of all time, all things considered, is the Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector. And of all the Hand Ejectors, the finest are the N-frames. And of the N-frames, the finest was the .38 Outdoorsman.

It was the most well-mannered .38 ever made.

A Bitter Year

It was 1930, one of the bitterest of the Great Depression and the dawning of the Age of the Gangster. John Dillinger was honing his skills at a prison in Michigan City, Ind., while the likes of Ma Barker, Bonnie Parker, Clyde Barrow and Baby Face Nelson were tearing up the Midwest.

These public enemies, as they came to be known, weren’t fooling around.

Dillinger would later use a Colt Monitor, the civilian version of the Browning BAR, when he wasn’t carrying a 1928 Thompson he swiped from an Indiana police station.

Machine Gun Kelly earned his nickname the hard way. And unlike the bandits of the Old West, this new breed of criminals was likely to speed away from the scene of their crimes in a Ford V-8, a Studebaker sedan or an Essex Terraplane.

Against this rising tide of lawlessness stood America’s Thin Blue Line of local police and sheriffs, most of whom could rarely muster anything more powerful in the way of armament than a Colt Official Police or a Smith & Wesson Military & Police in .38 Special. And that just wasn’t cutting it.

Colt had responded to the call for greater police firepower in 1929 with its .38 Super Government Model semiauto, which sent a 130-grain metal-jacketed bullet rocketing out its 5-inch barrel at 1,300 feet per second — fast enough to penetrate most bulletproof vests and car bodies. The FBI promptly glommed onto the .38 Super, although some agents complained that its accuracy left something to be desired.

A Better Idea

Smith & Wesson approached the problem from a different direction. It already had the perfect platform for a new police gun: the large Hand Ejector frame introduced in 1908 as the New Century or Triple-Lock .44 Special.

Having lost its third, and superfluous, cylinder lock in 1915, this enormous double-action frame (later designated the N-frame) served well in World War I as the basis of S&W’s .45 ACP Model 1917 revolver. (Almost a century later, the large Hand Ejector N-frame would remain in production — a record exceeded only by S&W’s own K-frame and Colt’s Model P Single Action Army.)

In 1930, as reported by Elmer Keith in Sixguns, S&W’s Major Doug Wesson introduced an all-new, 5-inch-barreled, fixed-sighted .38 Special built on the massive N-frame. The gun was formally named the .38/44 Heavy Duty, and was also known colloquially as the .38/44 Super Police for its intended application.

Even today the “.38/44” designation causes some confusion. It simply means a .38 built on the large .44 Hand Ejector frame. Muddying the waters a bit is the fact that there had been another, entirely different S&W “.38-44” several years before: a top-break target revolver chambered for a unique .38-caliber cartridge, in which the bullet was completely enclosed within the case, which itself stretched nearly to the end of the cylinder. This revolver was built on the large S&W No. 3 .44 Russian frame (hence the “-44”). The No. 3 .38-44 was a different animal from the .38-44 Heavy Duty double-action.

S&W’s new Heavy Duty could handle much hotter .38 Special loads than were generally available. That’s why, in 1931 Remington-UMC, Winchester and Western stepped up to the plate and rolled out a new breed of high-velocity, high-pressure .38 Special.

Whereas the traditional .38 Special load generated about 16,000 copper units of pressure, or CUP, to produce velocities of about 800 fps with a 158-grain lead bullet, the new load developed 20,000 CUP to produce a velocity of about 1,100 fps with a 158-grain metal-tipped bullet. (This was the first appearance of what we would today call the .38 Special +P.) The new load reportedly developed 425 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle, which was — and remains — impressive.

Here, at last, was a gun that would punch through just about anything that stood between Dillinger and a police officer.

A Positive Reception

The new .38/44 was an immediate hit. In the November 1931 American Rifleman, Phil Sharpe praised it to the skies: “The thickness of metal in this gun gives the writer confidence to fire standard factory proof cartridges from the hand, something no other gun has ever inspired.” (A proof cartridge usually generates twice the pressure of a standard load and is used by gunmakers to test the strength of, or “proof,” their finished products.)

Comments like Sharpe’s were bound to get the attention of Keith, who was no slouch at blowing up revolvers with hot handloads. Using a .38/44 Heavy Duty, Keith found he could simply not induce the big gun to come unglued, even with his home-brewed .38 Special loads that generated a ferocious 42,000 CUP.

I won’t give Keith’s recipe for this load here, and actually I don’t even like to think about it. Suffice to say, it takes the .38 Special about as far as it can possibly go — maybe farther.

The Outdoorsman Arrives

S&W had already reached the same conclusion, and in 1931 the company introduced the .38/44 Outdoorsman, a sophisticated version of the Heavy Duty with target sights and a 6 1/2-inch barrel. The name of the new gun suggested it was marketed toward the woods bum who wanted something with a lot more “oomph” than a standard .38 Special.

Weighing in at a hefty 41 3/4 ounces unloaded, the Outdoorsman was, in the opinion of W. D. Frazer, “a target revolver in every sense of the word.” Frazer reported in a 1932 issue of American Rifleman that he had made 17 hits out of 20 shots with the Outdoorsman at 200 yards on a standard police silhouette target.

The Outdoorsman was so good, in fact, that it inspired the revolver that would make it obsolete: S&W’s .357 Magnum of 1935. The .357 Magnum was the Outdoorsman on steroids, and the FBI wasted no time in adopting it in 3 1/2-inch barrel form as its official sidearm.

You might have expected the Outdoorsman to wither away and die immediately, but it refused. Although made obsolete by the .357 Magnum, the huge .38 sold modestly until 1966, when it was discontinued.

The Outdoorsman was never a best-seller. Only 4,761 “long-action” Outdoorsmans were sold before World War II, and another 8,365 from 1946 to 1966. Postwar models featured a new-style hammer block, a micrometer sight and a new barrel rib. A short-throw hammer was introduced in 1950, at which time the Outdoorsman’s name was officially changed to the .38/44 Outdoorsman of 1950. Postwar guns can be identified by the “S” preceding the serial number.

When S&W adopted its new model numbering system in 1957, the Outdoorsman became the Model 23.

A Delight to Shoot

Shooting an Outdoorsman of any vintage is a pleasure. With 148-grain target loads, the big gun’s recoil is barely noticeable. It hangs on target with admirable inertia. Its trigger pull in single action is crisp, and in double-action, it’s wonderfully controllable. Owing to the revolver’s tight fit and long barrel, muzzle blast is negligible, even with +P loads. And in my opinion, S&W’s Hand Ejector lockwork is simply superior to that of anything else.

Some shooters will criticize the Outdoorsman, saying it is pointless. The .38 Special, they will say, is an old woman — as if only the most powerful handgun cartridges have any reason for existing.

I don’t agree. In fact, I believe the preoccupation with bigger handgun cartridges has grown comically absurd.

Hand cannons have their place, but so do target revolvers. I enjoy shooting a .38 Special with enough mass to dampen tremors. I might not be able to brag about how macho I am after shooting an Outdoorsman, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay.

I’ve been fortunate to have shot just about every basic model of American .38 Special revolver ever made. For my money, the Outdoorsman is the best — and certainly the classiest — of them all.


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Wow John excelente artículo en verdad se agradece tu aportación.
Cheers :cheers:
 
Un articulo al respecto:

Link: Gun Digest Classic: Is This the Greatest .38 Ever? | Gun Digest

Gun Digest Classic: Is This the Greatest .38 Ever?


Dan Shideler

Don’t get me wrong. I love Colt revolvers. A 1923 Police Positive is doing duty at this moment in my bedside nightstand. I sometimes carry a Detective Special. I think the Python is the most stylish revolver ever made.So please don’t throw things at me when I say that in my opinion, the finest revolver of all time, all things considered, is the Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector. And of all the Hand Ejectors, the finest are the N-frames. And of the N-frames, the finest was the .38 Outdoorsman.

It was the most well-mannered .38 ever made.

Me gustó mucho el artículo, pero además me llamó mucho la atención del comentario arriba descrito de Dan Shideler siendo usuario Colt como se expresa del S&W Outdoorsman, John sabes a qué se dedica Dan para considerar su opinión para este artículo?
 
Otro buen articulo, este de las cargas .38/44 que revivio para esta nueva época la compañia Buffalo Bore. Y relata la historia del original
.38-44 HV (High Velocity)

The final load tested is suitable for those preferring a modern jacketed hollowpoint bullet. The 125-grain JHP breaks just over 1,100 fps. The balance of expansion and penetration was good. For a fast opening defense load, you need look no further. For most shooters, most of the time, the heavy .38 is a better choice than the .357 Magnum.

These loads are well suited to personal defense, and with the Outdoorsman load, we have a credible load for defense against feral dogs and the big cats, but one with modest recoil compared to the performance offered. Accuracy was excellent, and the loads demonstrated a full powder burn. I will be deploying the Outdoorsman load in the Heavy Duty during those long walks in the wild when it is comforting to have a capable revolver on the hip.

Los de Buffalo Bore si que hiceron un brillante trabajo diseñando un calibre para sacárle todo el jugo al performance del Outdoorsman.

Entonces si el Outdoorsman soporta esas cargas de Buffalo Bore tecnicamente si podría disparar 357 Magnum?
 
Completamente de acuerdo, sorry por desviar el tema Woden :cheers:

No te apures por experiencia en los foros te digo que de esas desviaciones salen muchas veces platicas muy interesantes.

Pero yo aprovecho las herramientas del foro para separar los temas y que puedan continuar mas, si hay mas opiniones y aportaciones.
 
Los de Buffalo Bore si que hiceron un brillante trabajo diseñando un calibre para sacárle todo el jugo al performance del Outdoorsman.

Entonces si el Outdoorsman soporta esas cargas de Buffalo Bore tecnicamente si podría disparar 357 Magnum?

Si lo podria hacer, pero no le caben a los alveolos del cilindro porque el cilindro es de .38 Special, y el .357 Magnum es 1/8 de pulgada mas largo. Por eso es ideal para Mexico, es 100% legal pero con la resistencia de un Magnum. Como bien dijo Luigi Corlene es como para cargas .38 Special +P+ o +P++ (esta ultia desde luego no existe, pero es una forma de decir de ir mas alla aun del +P+)

El +P+ es incluso mas potente y con mayor presion que los +P, y por algunas decadas (70s, 80s,,y 90s) se vendian solo a departamentos de policia y eso si esos departamentos firmaban un acuerdo de no demandar a las compañias si sus revolveres tenian una vida util muy corta por exceso de presion.

Los unicos revolveres 100% aptos para las cargas +P+ sin peligro de reducir su vida util o de tener una falla catastrofica, son los .38/44 Hevay Duty y .38/44 Outdoorsman, y tal vez los Colt N frame .38 Special, el Colt Metropolitan y el Astra modelo 960.
 
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Me gustó mucho el artículo, pero además me llamó mucho la atención del comentario arriba descrito de Dan Shideler siendo usuario Colt como se expresa del S&W Outdoorsman, John sabes a qué se dedica Dan para considerar su opinión para este artículo?

Viene ahi al final del articulo:

The late Dan Shideler was a senior editor for Gun Digest Books from 2004 until 2011, best known for his entertaining prose and knowledge and insight into firearms history, trends and pricing. He served as editor of two of the industry's most respected annuals: Standard Catalog of Firearms and Gun Digest. Dan passed away in April 2011.
 
Aprovechando de su paciencia y conocimiento me gustaría pedirle que me ayude a identificar este S&W y como de que año seria, de antemano gracias John

Ahora que ya determinamos que debe ser un .38/44 Outdoorsan (y no un modelo 28), entonces solo basado en la forma del cañón redondeado debe ser de entre 1931 y 1939, ya que durante la II Guerra Mundial se detuvo la producción y cuando se volvio a producir despues de la II Guerra el cañon ya venia con una pequeña cinta en la parte de arriba del cañón. Las de cañon totalmente redondeado deben de ser de ese periodo 1931 y 1039.

A mi en los personal me gusta mas como se ven esos revolveres con cañón redondeados, otros los prefieren con la peqeña cinta en la parte de arriba del cañón.

Este video se ve un .38/44 Outdoorsman post-war, probablemente ya modelo 23:


 
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Si lo podria hacer, pero no le caben a los alveolos del cilindro porque el cilindro es de .38 Special, y el .357 Magnum es 1/8 de pulgada mas largo. Por eso es ideal para Mexico, es 100% legal pero con la resistencia de un Magnum. Como bien dijo Luigi Corlene es como para cargas .38 Special +P+ o +P++ (esta ultia desde luego no existe, pero es una forma de decir de ir mas alla aun del +P+)

El +P+ es incluso mas potente y con mayor presion que los +P, y por algunas decadas (70s, 80s,,y 90s) se vendian solo a departamentos de policia y eso si esos departamentos firmaban un acuerdo de no demandar a las compañias si sus revolveres tenian una vida util muy corta por exceso de presion.

Los unicos revolveres 100% aptos para las cargas +P+ sin peligro de reducir su vida util o de tener una falla catastrofica, son los .38/44 Hevay Duty y .38/44 Outdoorsman, y tal vez los Colt N frame .38 Special, el Colt Metropolitan y el Astra modelo 960.


Interesante John, entonces estos Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman solo se pueden disparar en el S&W Outdoorsman o en que otros más?

Intente googlear cartuchos 38 spl +P+ pero no encontré, cuáles has visto John?
 
Ahora que ya determinamos que debe ser un .38/44 Outdoorsan (y no un modelo 28), entonces solo basado en la forma del cañón redondeado debe ser de entre 1931 y 1939, ya que durante la II Guerra Mundial se detuvo la producción y cuando se volvio a producir despues de la II Guerra el cañon ya venia con una pequeña cinta en la parte de arriba del cañón. Las de cañon totalmente redondeado deben de ser de ese periodo 1931 y 1039.

A mi en los personal me gusta mas como se ven esos revolveres con cañón redondeados, otros los prefieren con la peqeña cinta en la parte de arriba del cañón.

Este video se ve un .38/44 Outdoorsman post-war, probablemente ya modelo 23:



Muchas gracias John, porque le habrán agregado la cinta? Para menos recoil?

Wow en el 1er video por el poco retroceso pareciera que dispara un 22lr impresionante su performance.
 
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