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AR-15 VS Galil
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Mr. Smith
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mas confiable el Galil pero es mas pesado,aunue no es para tanto,pero mejor confiabilidad si es para uso policiaco.
Jleal
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Yo le apuesto al AR-15 si es para uso policial, las razones son las siguientes:
1.- Menor Peso.
2.- Menor Tamaño.
3.- Disponibilidad casi ilimitada de Repuestos.
4.- Posibilidades enormes de accesorios.
5.- Funcionamiento Optimo para el medio de trabajo empleado.
1.- Menor Peso.
2.- Menor Tamaño.
3.- Disponibilidad casi ilimitada de Repuestos.
4.- Posibilidades enormes de accesorios.
5.- Funcionamiento Optimo para el medio de trabajo empleado.
Julio Guraiib
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
AR15-Galil
Si bien es cierto el AR15 es mucho mas versátil, en cuanto a confiabilidad mecánica el Galil es superior.
Saludos, Julio.:cheers:
Si bien es cierto el AR15 es mucho mas versátil, en cuanto a confiabilidad mecánica el Galil es superior.
Saludos, Julio.:cheers:
que opinan entre estos dos, cual se les hace mejor??? para uso policiaco??
DwightVanHellsing
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bueno los dos...
pero para uso policial urbano-cotidiano el mejór es el M16-M4-CAR15, pues es preciso, tiene buenos aditamentos (visores telescópicos, lanzagranadas, silenciador...) y bueno, abunda más sus partes en el mercado policial...
pero si fuera un uso policial-militar, policial-rural o policial-urbano-extremo, donde la naturaleza del terreno sea extremosas para un fusil de cuidados o tengas que pelear contra paramilitares el mejor es el Galil, pues este no necesita de cuidados extremos como el CAR15, no se encasquilla tanto, sus partes son muy durables y bueno, en combate extremo ya sea contra narcos o guerrilla donde las acciones duren más de 2 o 3 horas y necesitas un arma las 24 horas del dia que no te moleste en limpiarla, engrasarla y cuidarla pues no tienes tiempo, el mejor es el Galil (no por eso su padre es el buen Ak-47)
Saludos y Cervezas :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
pero para uso policial urbano-cotidiano el mejór es el M16-M4-CAR15, pues es preciso, tiene buenos aditamentos (visores telescópicos, lanzagranadas, silenciador...) y bueno, abunda más sus partes en el mercado policial...
pero si fuera un uso policial-militar, policial-rural o policial-urbano-extremo, donde la naturaleza del terreno sea extremosas para un fusil de cuidados o tengas que pelear contra paramilitares el mejor es el Galil, pues este no necesita de cuidados extremos como el CAR15, no se encasquilla tanto, sus partes son muy durables y bueno, en combate extremo ya sea contra narcos o guerrilla donde las acciones duren más de 2 o 3 horas y necesitas un arma las 24 horas del dia que no te moleste en limpiarla, engrasarla y cuidarla pues no tienes tiempo, el mejor es el Galil (no por eso su padre es el buen Ak-47)
Saludos y Cervezas :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Gaston Glock
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CAR-15. Sin Dudarlo.
Alejandro Rosales
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Los dos son muy buenos, auqnue por aca es mas facil conseguir accesorios para el Ar-15, pero a ninguno de los dos le hacia el feo.
Saludos
Saludos
Kamikaze
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
AR 15 vs Galil
De acuerdo con todos ustedes, tampoco le haría el feo a un Colt AR-15 a un Bushmaster o a un Galil, estupendos.
Kamikaze
De acuerdo con todos ustedes, tampoco le haría el feo a un Colt AR-15 a un Bushmaster o a un Galil, estupendos.
Kamikaze
Alejandro Rosales
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Yo he tirado con los dos y me acomodo mas el AR15, claro que ese lo use durante 5 años asi que seguramente a eso se debe, pero los dos son muy buenos.
Saludos
Saludos
maki
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Yo he tirado con los dos y me acomodo mas el AR15, claro que ese lo use durante 5 años asi que seguramente a eso se debe, pero los dos son muy buenos.
Saludos
...pues yo he tenido la oportunidad de probar los Galil en México :50cal: :50cal: gracias a la amabilidad y hospitalidad del forero LUIS E. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: la pena es que la foto con el M-16 salió borrosa..... Luisito es buen compadre pero mal fotografo...jajajajajajajaj es broma amigo Luis.
...saludos desde las Españasñañasñasñasñasñsa
Alejandro Rosales
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...pues yo he tenido la oportunidad de probar los Galil en México :50cal: :50cal: gracias a la amabilidad y hospitalidad del forero LUIS E. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: la pena es que la foto con el M-16 salió borrosa..... Luisito es buen compadre pero mal fotografo...jajajajajajajaj es broma amigo Luis.
...saludos desde las Españasñañasñasñasñasñsa[/QUO
jejeje asi pasa, pues tendreas que probar de nuevo en tu proximo viaje, cuando menos para tener la foto mas clara.
Saludos
Golfo
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Yo tambien le voy a AR, es mas versatil como dicen y mas lijero, mas aun si es el M4, muchos accesorios y posibilidad de montarle varios tipos de miras tanto electronicas como telescopicas. El galil es mas militar que policiaco, mas grande y el accesorio del tripie con alicate para cortar alambrados pues como que tiene mucha utilidad en un ambiente urbano.
Saludos
Saludos
GLOCKNEZA
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Bueno
pues con mucho gusto me quedaba con los dos pero me inclino mas por el COLT AR-15 :50cal:
pues con mucho gusto me quedaba con los dos pero me inclino mas por el COLT AR-15 :50cal:
Que cual es mejor, eeeehhhhh????!!!
A ver les cuento, el hecho del que el AR-15, M16, M16A2, y M16A4, así como el M4 sean tan livianos es gracias a uno de sus peores y más graves defectos: la cantidad de partes de plástico, lo que lo hacen vulnerable al recalentamiento y fundición, mientras que el Galil (que también se recalienta), es menos suceptible a hacerse inútil, como no pasa en los antes mencionados, descendientes del AR-10 de ArmaLite.
La verdad es que aquí se prefiere al Galil y al AK-47 por su dureza en entornos agrestes; y dense cuenta de que Colombia es un país con zonas de selva hinóspita muy grandes, en donde el polvo y la suciedad harían innusable al AR-15, y que son muy parecidas a zonas similares en la Geografia de México....
Continúo mi post en éste tema
http://www.mexicoarmado.com/rifles-militares/38838-manual-galil-5-56-a.html
Parce, que sea éste mi primer post, soy de la ciudad de Bogotá, en mi linda y muy amada patria Colombia, tierra en donde ahora se farbica el Galil, y de donde me siento orgulloso de haber nacido!!!Yo le apuesto al AR-15 si es para uso policial, las razones son las siguientes:
1.- Menor Peso.
2.- Menor Tamaño.
3.- Disponibilidad casi ilimitada de Repuestos.
4.- Posibilidades enormes de accesorios.
5.- Funcionamiento Optimo para el medio de trabajo empleado.
A ver les cuento, el hecho del que el AR-15, M16, M16A2, y M16A4, así como el M4 sean tan livianos es gracias a uno de sus peores y más graves defectos: la cantidad de partes de plástico, lo que lo hacen vulnerable al recalentamiento y fundición, mientras que el Galil (que también se recalienta), es menos suceptible a hacerse inútil, como no pasa en los antes mencionados, descendientes del AR-10 de ArmaLite.
La verdad es que aquí se prefiere al Galil y al AK-47 por su dureza en entornos agrestes; y dense cuenta de que Colombia es un país con zonas de selva hinóspita muy grandes, en donde el polvo y la suciedad harían innusable al AR-15, y que son muy parecidas a zonas similares en la Geografia de México....
Continúo mi post en éste tema
http://www.mexicoarmado.com/rifles-militares/38838-manual-galil-5-56-a.html
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Panasig45
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Yo le apuesto al AR-15 si es para uso policial, las razones son las siguientes:
1.- Menor Peso.
2.- Menor Tamaño.
3.- Disponibilidad casi ilimitada de Repuestos.
4.- Posibilidades enormes de accesorios.
5.- Funcionamiento Optimo para el medio de trabajo empleado.
La facultad de montarles focos tacticos y miras opticas al AR lo hacen superior como arma policial.
El GALIL es mejor mecanicamente pero las armas policiales no ven el uso duro de las armas militares. Las armas policiales se la pasan metidas en el baul de un carro o en una armeria en el cuartel, no ven meses de operaciones en el campo.
El AR es mas ergonomico en combate a corta distancia y ligero.
El GALIL es mejor arma para un ejercito de conscriptos o guerrilleros irregulares por su mayor confiabilidad mecanica. El AR es mejor para policias o soldados de elite que lo van a cuidar mas y necesitan las ventajas que este les da en accesorios y ergonomía.
Ojo con el Galil!!!!
Échense ese trompo a la uña, maestros!!!:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
Eso es exactamente lo que hace que el Galil sea el arma de combate del ejército y de la Policia colombiana, puesto que a pesar de que son unidades MEJOR y MAS Capacitadas e instruidas que las unidades policiales de México en general, los entornos en donde se opera el arma son de muy dificultosas condiciones medioambientales, la mayor desventaja de AR-15 es que si se le opera sin su mantenimiento se hace innusable, y por ende se vuelve una pérdida de dinero, aparte de que es expensiva el AR-15 así como sus derivados, la única fiable y capaz de operar en entornos agrestes es el M4 y el M248 (versión ultramodificada alemana de Heckler und Koch del M4), si es por sistemas de miras, el Galil puede usar las rusas, pero no aquelas que usen a los rieles Picantyny como sistema de sujección, por eso en Colombia ahora se fabrica el Galil ACE, que no es más que el mismo Galil, pero con piezas remodeladas y partes sustituidas para facilitar algo que el AR-15 y sus derivados sólo pueden ver en fábricas: cambiar su alimentación por opciones disponibles para su usuario como el /.62*39, el 7.62*51 y el 5.56*45 con sólo reemplazar el cañon...La facultad de montarles focos tacticos y miras opticas al AR lo hacen superior como arma policial.
El GALIL es mejor mecanicamente pero las armas policiales no ven el uso duro de las armas militares. Las armas policiales se la pasan metidas en el baul de un carro o en una armeria en el cuartel, no ven meses de operaciones en el campo.
El AR es mas ergonomico en combate a corta distancia y ligero.
El GALIL es mejor arma para un ejercito de conscriptos o guerrilleros irregulares por su mayor confiabilidad mecanica. El AR es mejor para policias o soldados de elite que lo van a cuidar mas y necesitan las ventajas que este les da en accesorios y ergonomía.
Échense ese trompo a la uña, maestros!!!:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
TF
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
Machibuse, obviamente el galil ACE no puede usar el 7.62x51 o el 7.62x33 con solo cambiar el cañon... se necesitan muchos mas cambios. Ademas es aún una evolucion nueva y poco probada en la vida real.
El galil es muy buen rifle, pero ya es obsoleto en Israel desde hace mucho tiempo...
Actualmente sólo lo fabrica Colombia, y lo usan ejercitos del 2do. o 3er. mundo.
De Isayeret.com, (sitio mantenido por ex special forces de Israel, pagado):
"One of the most common debates in weapons forums on the web is the M16 Vs. AK47 issue - which one is the better assault rifle. As probably the only western army in the world that have used both an AK47 variant (IMI Galil) and the M16 on a large scale, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) is often brought as a real life example.
The pro M16 guys claim that the IDF usage of the M16 is a clear evidence of the weapon's quality, while the pro AK47 guys claim that the IDF switched from IMI Galil to the M16 only since it received them free of charge from the U.S.
The truth is that the M16 is by far the more superior weapon. It's lighter, more accurate, more versatile, and with proper maintenance it is very reliable. Indeed, it might be less sand proof then the Galil/AK47 series. However, all you need is to clean it once a day and it will work like a charm.
In fact, most of the myth regarding the unreliability of the M16 date back to the Vietnam War when the M16 was first issued. The 5.56 ammunition given then to the troops used a low quality sticky powder that caused massive buildup of dirt in the M16 mechanism, and eventually to jamming problems. When the ammunition was changed, the misfire problems disappeared as well.
The IMI Galil on the other hand, is heavy, not accurate and you can't place any optics on it without special adapters. Many people also don't like the Galil/AK safety mechanism but that's more an issue of a personal preference. The M16 design on the other hand is very user friendly, allow numerous modifications to be made on the weapon. The large number of M16 variants used by the IDF for dozens and dozens of years of continuous combat deployment is a clear evidence of that.
Thus, the reason for the IDF usage of the M16 over the Galil isn't the cost. It's the pure quality of the M16 over the Galil. Most of IDF troops dislike the Galil and will take a CAR15/M4 over it any day.
Those who are using the cost factor are simply unaware of the IDF assault rifles history. Short review - up until the mid 1970's the IDF standard issue assault rifle was the FN FAL. At that time most of the elite units were using the AK47, which was considered to be much better then the FAL.
In 1973 during the Israeli-Arab Yom Kippur War the U.S. made a massive airlift to Israel containing large sums of brand new M16A1 and CAR15. However, after the war, in 1974, the IDF adopted the IMI Galil as its new standard issue assault rifle so the M16 remained in storage.
The Galil wasn't a big success to say the least. Most of the IDF elite units weren't impressed with the new weapon and remained with the AK47, which also had a deniability capability in covert deep insertions operations.
In the late 1970's few Special Forces (SF) units started to try out the CAR15 and were tremendously impressed. A decade later, by the late 1980's, almost all elite units were already armed with CAR15 which was replacing the IMI Galil SAR and the AK47.
Note that this was years and years before the IDF officially adopted the M16 in the early 1990's. The IDF SF units that adopted the CAR15 didn't had any cost issue at mind. They could have used either the M16 or the Galil. It made no matter budget wise, since both weapons were already available in masses. The decision was purely quality based and no one told the units which weapon to use. More clearly - in some IDF elite units the Galil was simply never used! They always preferred the CAR15 over it.
Following the SF units weapon of choice influence, in the early 1990's the IDF officially adopted the M16 family as its new standard issue assault rifle for all infantry oriented units, including both SF and conventional units. The IMI Galil is used only be the Artillery Corps, Armor Crops, stationary elements in the Anti Aircraft Corps and rear line units.
Lets again review the situation in the early 1990's. The IDF had large sums of Galil variants it procured over the years. On the other hand it also had large sums of M16 it received in the 1973 war as well as in U.S. Army surpluses shipments over the years. Both weapons were available in masses and there wasn't any current or near future need to procure either weapon. the IDF also had thousands and thousands of AK47 that were captured over the years. So the IDF could always use the AK47 free of charge over M16 or Galil.
Eventually, the IDF chose the M16, so again cost wasn't really an issue when the decision was made. However, even if there was such a cost factor then the IDF could have simply supply all rear line troops with the cheaper M16 and issue the more expensive Galil to the front line troops. The fact that the exact opposite was done speaks for itself.
Moreover, some times the cost is less of an issue. The IDF often buy expensive Israeli weapons since it's forced too by inner-Israeli political pressure. For example, the IMI forced the Israeli Police to buy the Jericho 941 handguns. The IDF managed to escape the pressure in this case and got the much better Sig Sauer 228/226. The Israeli M240 Sufa ("Storm" in Hebrew) jeep is yet another example.
Let's review the situation today. The IDF no longer receives M16 for free. instead Israel receives from the U.S. few billion dollars per year of Foreign Military Support (FMS). However, the catch is that most of this money must be spent in Dollars back in the U.S. Also, for several reasons most of the IDF orders are registered as U.S. Army orders. This allows the IDF to largely enjoy from the quantity discounts the U.S. Army receives on its large orders.
The M4 series is indeed cheaper then the Galil or even the new Tavor series. In order to buy gear and weapons using the U.S. FMS the item must be at least 50% made in the U.S. This is why the IMI is currently looking to build a factory in the U.S. - so that the IDF could buy the Tavor using FMS.
But as usual IMI was very slow, and the IDF already procured large sums of the M4 replacing the CAR15. Not to mention that the Bullpup concept of the Tavor is very problematic since it doesn't allow simultaneous usage of both shoulders during combat. A major tactical disadvantage, especially in Close Quarters Battle (CQB) or in urban fighting. Yet, it appears that IDF will eventually buy the Tavor.
To summarize, the IDF chose the M16 over the AK47/Gail because the M16 is the better assault rifle in all parameters that matter. As for reliability, the M16 is reliable enough. As for cost it's a non issue. Buying weapons today is cheap. In fact, for modern armies who buy large sums, most optical sights cost much more then assault rifles per unit."
El galil es muy buen rifle, pero ya es obsoleto en Israel desde hace mucho tiempo...
Actualmente sólo lo fabrica Colombia, y lo usan ejercitos del 2do. o 3er. mundo.
De Isayeret.com, (sitio mantenido por ex special forces de Israel, pagado):
"One of the most common debates in weapons forums on the web is the M16 Vs. AK47 issue - which one is the better assault rifle. As probably the only western army in the world that have used both an AK47 variant (IMI Galil) and the M16 on a large scale, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) is often brought as a real life example.
The pro M16 guys claim that the IDF usage of the M16 is a clear evidence of the weapon's quality, while the pro AK47 guys claim that the IDF switched from IMI Galil to the M16 only since it received them free of charge from the U.S.
The truth is that the M16 is by far the more superior weapon. It's lighter, more accurate, more versatile, and with proper maintenance it is very reliable. Indeed, it might be less sand proof then the Galil/AK47 series. However, all you need is to clean it once a day and it will work like a charm.
In fact, most of the myth regarding the unreliability of the M16 date back to the Vietnam War when the M16 was first issued. The 5.56 ammunition given then to the troops used a low quality sticky powder that caused massive buildup of dirt in the M16 mechanism, and eventually to jamming problems. When the ammunition was changed, the misfire problems disappeared as well.
The IMI Galil on the other hand, is heavy, not accurate and you can't place any optics on it without special adapters. Many people also don't like the Galil/AK safety mechanism but that's more an issue of a personal preference. The M16 design on the other hand is very user friendly, allow numerous modifications to be made on the weapon. The large number of M16 variants used by the IDF for dozens and dozens of years of continuous combat deployment is a clear evidence of that.
Thus, the reason for the IDF usage of the M16 over the Galil isn't the cost. It's the pure quality of the M16 over the Galil. Most of IDF troops dislike the Galil and will take a CAR15/M4 over it any day.
Those who are using the cost factor are simply unaware of the IDF assault rifles history. Short review - up until the mid 1970's the IDF standard issue assault rifle was the FN FAL. At that time most of the elite units were using the AK47, which was considered to be much better then the FAL.
In 1973 during the Israeli-Arab Yom Kippur War the U.S. made a massive airlift to Israel containing large sums of brand new M16A1 and CAR15. However, after the war, in 1974, the IDF adopted the IMI Galil as its new standard issue assault rifle so the M16 remained in storage.
The Galil wasn't a big success to say the least. Most of the IDF elite units weren't impressed with the new weapon and remained with the AK47, which also had a deniability capability in covert deep insertions operations.
In the late 1970's few Special Forces (SF) units started to try out the CAR15 and were tremendously impressed. A decade later, by the late 1980's, almost all elite units were already armed with CAR15 which was replacing the IMI Galil SAR and the AK47.
Note that this was years and years before the IDF officially adopted the M16 in the early 1990's. The IDF SF units that adopted the CAR15 didn't had any cost issue at mind. They could have used either the M16 or the Galil. It made no matter budget wise, since both weapons were already available in masses. The decision was purely quality based and no one told the units which weapon to use. More clearly - in some IDF elite units the Galil was simply never used! They always preferred the CAR15 over it.
Following the SF units weapon of choice influence, in the early 1990's the IDF officially adopted the M16 family as its new standard issue assault rifle for all infantry oriented units, including both SF and conventional units. The IMI Galil is used only be the Artillery Corps, Armor Crops, stationary elements in the Anti Aircraft Corps and rear line units.
Lets again review the situation in the early 1990's. The IDF had large sums of Galil variants it procured over the years. On the other hand it also had large sums of M16 it received in the 1973 war as well as in U.S. Army surpluses shipments over the years. Both weapons were available in masses and there wasn't any current or near future need to procure either weapon. the IDF also had thousands and thousands of AK47 that were captured over the years. So the IDF could always use the AK47 free of charge over M16 or Galil.
Eventually, the IDF chose the M16, so again cost wasn't really an issue when the decision was made. However, even if there was such a cost factor then the IDF could have simply supply all rear line troops with the cheaper M16 and issue the more expensive Galil to the front line troops. The fact that the exact opposite was done speaks for itself.
Moreover, some times the cost is less of an issue. The IDF often buy expensive Israeli weapons since it's forced too by inner-Israeli political pressure. For example, the IMI forced the Israeli Police to buy the Jericho 941 handguns. The IDF managed to escape the pressure in this case and got the much better Sig Sauer 228/226. The Israeli M240 Sufa ("Storm" in Hebrew) jeep is yet another example.
Let's review the situation today. The IDF no longer receives M16 for free. instead Israel receives from the U.S. few billion dollars per year of Foreign Military Support (FMS). However, the catch is that most of this money must be spent in Dollars back in the U.S. Also, for several reasons most of the IDF orders are registered as U.S. Army orders. This allows the IDF to largely enjoy from the quantity discounts the U.S. Army receives on its large orders.
The M4 series is indeed cheaper then the Galil or even the new Tavor series. In order to buy gear and weapons using the U.S. FMS the item must be at least 50% made in the U.S. This is why the IMI is currently looking to build a factory in the U.S. - so that the IDF could buy the Tavor using FMS.
But as usual IMI was very slow, and the IDF already procured large sums of the M4 replacing the CAR15. Not to mention that the Bullpup concept of the Tavor is very problematic since it doesn't allow simultaneous usage of both shoulders during combat. A major tactical disadvantage, especially in Close Quarters Battle (CQB) or in urban fighting. Yet, it appears that IDF will eventually buy the Tavor.
To summarize, the IDF chose the M16 over the AK47/Gail because the M16 is the better assault rifle in all parameters that matter. As for reliability, the M16 is reliable enough. As for cost it's a non issue. Buying weapons today is cheap. In fact, for modern armies who buy large sums, most optical sights cost much more then assault rifles per unit."
Panasig45
Miembro de la Vieja Guardia
The IDF often buy expensive Israeli weapons since it's forced too by inner-Israeli political pressure. For example, the IMI forced the Israeli Police to buy the Jericho 941 handguns. The IDF managed to escape the pressure in this case and got the much better Sig Sauer 228/226. The Israeli M240 Sufa ("Storm" in Hebrew) jeep is yet another example.
Es cierto, la policía de Israel fué fozada a comprar la Jericó por preciones políticas, no es una mala pistola pero no era la que querían. Las Fuerzas de Defensa de Israel compraron la SIG 226/228 y el SHAVAK (servicio secreto) compró la Glock 19.
Nunca me han gustado las armas bullpup. No me gusta el TAVOR por eso, ni el FAMAS, ni el AUG, ni la P 90.